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At the intersection of faith and public discourse, Father James Martin is one of America\u2019s most prominent voices navigating an increasingly polarized religious and political landscape. As editor-at-large for America Magazine, a bestselling author and Vatican consultant, the Jesuit priest has dedicated his ministry to explaining Catholic teachings to contemporary American audiences while advocating for a more compassionate, gospel-centered approach to divisive issues.<\/p>\n

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His influence extends beyond traditional Catholic circles through social media engagement, late-night television appearances and his podcast \u201cThe Spiritual Life,\u201d making him a unique bridge between institutional Catholicism and broader public conversation.<\/p>\n

In recent weeks, Father Martin has occupied a particularly challenging position as a leading voice for American Catholicism grappling with deep political divisions that mirror broader societal polarization. In this conversation with Jane Clayson Johnson, Father Martin talks about how he\u2019s learned to defend his faith without playing partisan politics. He also shared his journey to become a Catholic priest, his relationship with the first American-born pope and why God doesn\u2019t take sides in war or political conflicts. <\/p>\n

Their conversation, edited for length and clarity, took place before Father Martin took a stand against President Donald Trump\u2019s and Vice President JD Vance\u2019s criticism of Pope Leo XIV over the Roman Catholic leader\u2019s statements against America\u2019s war with Iran.<\/p>\n

Jane Clayson Johnson:<\/b> How do you see the role of faith in public life today?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin: <\/b>Faith always has a role in the public square, though I really do think that religious leaders should shy away from things like endorsing candidates and calling out candidates by name. I think it\u2019s more important for people to preach the Gospels. It\u2019s really important to bring in faith-related topics, but I also think it\u2019s important to stay away from partisanship. So, it\u2019s a little bit of a tightrope.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> Pope Leo has become more vocal in his criticism of the U.S. administration, specifically President Trump, regarding the war in Iran. What\u2019s your response?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin:<\/b> Well, I agree with him. Obviously, Pope Leo is talking about the gospel and it\u2019s really important to remember that Jesus said, \u201cBlessed are the peacemakers.\u201d We\u2019re called to be peacemakers. And also it\u2019s important to remember Pope Leo rarely mentions politicians\u2019 names. He only mentioned that because people asked him directly. Usually he\u2019s just talking about working for peace and reconciliation. So I think he\u2019s doing exactly what a Christian leader should do, which is to call for peace. Like Jesus said, \u201cBlessed are the peacemakers.\u201d<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson: <\/b>What is the significance of an American pope criticizing an American president?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin:<\/b> Unlike under Pope Francis or Pope Benedict or Pope John Paul, people can\u2019t say he doesn\u2019t understand America. So it\u2019s really important to say that this is someone who understands the American scene, who understands American politics but, again, who\u2019s trying to be a faith leader, not a political leader.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> After President Trump threatened to wipe out Iran\u2019s \u201cwhole civilization,\u201d Pope Leo issued another rebuke, saying the threat was \u201ctruly unacceptable.\u201d It\u2019s not uncommon for a pope to speak broadly and talk about peace and call for peace, but these are very specific rebukes.<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin:<\/b> Well, these are really strange times. I mean, to call for eradicating an entire civilization? That calls for a response. So if you\u2019re going to say, \u201cI\u2019m going to wipe out an entire civilization\u201d or \u201can entire country\u201d or \u201can entire nation,\u201d in terms of the threat, it demands a response. It also reminds us that the Catholic Church is consistently on the side of life. These are pro-life issues. So if you\u2019re going to say we\u2019re going to kill people, the Catholic Church is going to be against that. So I think it\u2019s perfectly appropriate.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> Do you think faith leaders generally should be more vocal on political issues relevant to their faith positions?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin:<\/b> That\u2019s a good question. They should be vocal, but I don\u2019t think they should be partisan. So it\u2019s one thing to say we need to care for the poor, we need to care for people who are on the margins, we need to help the sick, we need to help the elderly, we need to help people who are starving. That\u2019s one thing. To say you should vote for this candidate or that candidate, you should vote for this party or that party, that\u2019s another thing. So I think that they should be faith leaders, not political leaders. And that\u2019s a difficult tightrope to walk.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> But do you wish we\u2019d hear more from faith leaders as the pope is doing, speaking out?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin:<\/b> I wish we would hear more from faith leaders who are really talking about faith. And I sometimes think that Christian leaders are talking more about politics than they\u2019re talking about Jesus, and I think Jesus is his own defense. I mean, all you have to do is say Jesus asks us to care for the poor and welcome the stranger, or Jesus asks us to be loving and merciful and compassionate, or Jesus asks us to be peacemakers, and that\u2019s enough, right? I guess I wish that they focused more on Jesus and on the Gospels, or on the, depending on the denomination, the Old and the New Testaments, than talking about specific political issues.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> Pope Leo has been critical of President Trump\u2019s immigration policy. Recently, House Speaker Mike Johnson cited passages in Romans saying welcoming the stranger is an individual admonition while civil authorities are called to maintain order and enforce immigration laws. What is your response to that?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin: <\/b>That passage from Romans is not absolute. That passage from Romans is not the be-all and end-all. I mean, the be-all and end-all is what Jesus said and Jesus is pretty clear: Welcome the stranger. Now that\u2019s uncomfortable for a lot of people, and Jesus doesn\u2019t say welcome the stranger only if they have the right papers. Jesus says welcome the stranger.<\/p>\n

When you\u2019re sort of pulling out scripture passages like that, you really need to look at the whole thrust of the Old and the New Testaments. And you cannot escape the fact that the overall thrust of the Old and the New Testament is to welcome the stranger. It\u2019s very clear in Exodus, God says it over and over to the people of Israel: You shall not oppress the alien or refugee, for you were aliens yourselves once in the land of Egypt and in terms of the Exodus. Jesus says when you welcome the stranger, you welcome me; when you don\u2019t welcome the stranger, you don\u2019t welcome me.<\/p>\n

Now, that\u2019s uncomfortable for people and it stresses people out and it brings all sorts of excuses, but that\u2019s it. I mean, you might as well say that Jesus asks us not to take care of the poor. In terms of saying it\u2019s only about individuals, that passage in which Jesus says we need to care for the stranger is called the judgment of nations. It says nations will be judged. I mean, you can\u2019t get any clearer than that. It doesn\u2019t say just individuals \u2014 which we will be judged \u2014 but it says nations will be judged. That\u2019s not me or Pope Leo, that\u2019s Jesus.<\/p>\n

And there are also unjust laws. I mean, civic laws are not absolute. If that were the case \u2014 I\u2019m not drawing parallels \u2014 but if that were the case, then Germans should have followed the civic authorities in Nazi Germany because of that passage from Romans.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> Some of the most visible Catholic figures in America today are serving in the Trump administration, from Vice President Vance to Secretary of State Marco Rubio to press secretary Karoline Leavitt. What is the responsibility of Catholics in positions of political power when their policies may be in tension with church teaching?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin:<\/b> I\u2019ve never worked in politics, but I would say it\u2019s being a good and moral person. It\u2019s trying to, as far as possible, live out those Christian values in the political sphere. Of course, there\u2019s give-and-take in politics, right? Politics is the art of compromise, as they say. It\u2019s remembering that God\u2019s not just on one person\u2019s side or one political party\u2019s side or even one nation\u2019s side. If God\u2019s on anyone\u2019s side, as the psalm says, God is on the side of the brokenhearted. But when we say that God\u2019s on our side, I think we get on a slippery slope.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth called on Americans to pray for victory in the battle in Iran and safety for American troops, \u201cin the name of Jesus Christ.\u201d The pope soon after warned against invoking the name of Jesus for battle, saying that Jesus does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war but rejects them. <\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin:<\/b> Well, Jesus says, \u201cBlessed are the peacemakers.\u201d So, you can\u2019t be any clearer than that. Jesus from the cross forgives his executioners, and after the resurrection, returns and forgives people. It\u2019s not about revenge or who\u2019s right or who\u2019s wrong. But more broadly, I do think God blesses American troops, but God also blesses people in Iran.<\/p>\n

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So the idea that God would be only blessing our side is really a misunderstanding of Christian theology and Christian spirituality. Because if you say God is only blessing our side, does that mean God wants Iranians to die? That innocent men, women and children are dying? That makes no sense. But that\u2019s the implication when you pray in that way. It\u2019s one thing to say, \u201cMay God protect our troops.\u201d It\u2019s another thing to say, \u201cGod is on our side,\u201d and that God wills the death and destruction of the other side. Again, Jesus\u2019 words over and over again to the disciples are, \u201cPeace be with you,\u201d not, \u201cWar be with you.\u201d<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> During the first Trump administration, you were very vocal on social media about things that you disagreed with. Have your views shifted on what and how you speak out?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin: <\/b>Yes. I\u2019m much more careful about not using people\u2019s names, not using politicians\u2019 names, not talking about Republicans and Democrats. I just think it\u2019s better. It\u2019s better to focus on the gospel and on Jesus. I probably don\u2019t do it as well as I should. The few times that I\u2019ll speak out on social media is when it wades into religious territory. So when people are talking about God wants this, God wants that or Jesus wants this or Jesus blesses that, I feel I\u2019m on safer ground. I also try never to do ad hominem, to say this person\u2019s a bad Catholic or a bad Christian. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s helpful. So I have changed in that I focus much more on just what Jesus says.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> You have a really interesting life story. You come from a working-class background, you grew up in a family of what you call \u201clukewarm Catholics.\u201d I\u2019m curious how your upbringing shaped your faith.<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin: <\/b>My parents were Catholic, but as I say, \u201clukewarm Catholics,\u201d not super religious. We went to church most Sundays. Not every Sunday. They were good and moral people. It really took me a while, though, to get a sense of God\u2019s call in my life, and that really wasn\u2019t until my late 20s. And what happened was, I was working in the business world and just thought, \u201cThis is not for me.\u201d I mean, business is a real vocation for a lot of people, probably a lot of your listeners and viewers, but it just wasn\u2019t for me, and I really had to ask myself, what was God calling me to, and where were my desires leading me? And that eventually led to the Catholic priesthood.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> It wasn\u2019t just that it wasn\u2019t for you. In your memoir \u201cWork in Progress: Confessions of a Busboy, Dishwasher, Caddy, Usher, Factory Worker, Bank Teller, Corporate Tool, and Priest,\u201d you say it was \u201csoul-destroying.\u201d What was so bad about it?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin: <\/b>For me, the overwork, the sort of 24\/7 lifestyle, as well as mean managers that I ran into and a lack of compassion for people, really struck me as inhuman. And it wasn\u2019t the person that I wanted to be. I tell in the book a story about a guy who was going to be fired, and I was working in human relations at the time, and I went to his boss, and I said, \u201cYou can\u2019t fire this guy, we just gave him an incentive award, he has a family,\u201d and there was no sort of record of bad performance. And he said, \u201cI don\u2019t care.\u201d And so as a last-ditch measure, I said, \u201cWell, have some compassion.\u201d And I won\u2019t use the word he used, but he said, \u201c(expletive) compassion.\u201d He said that without irony \u2014 and I thought, \u201cBoy, if I\u2019m working in an organization that can say that about compassion, I think I\u2019m in the wrong place.\u201d<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> You recently met with Pope Leo. What should Americans know about him?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin: <\/b>The most important thing is that he\u2019s a great guy. He\u2019s just a very good person. I got to know him at the synod, which was a meeting of Catholic representatives and Catholic leaders over the last couple years, October 2023 and October 2024. And I happened to be at his table for two weeks, from nine-to-five. So you get to know somebody, a table of about 12 people. And I found him to be very, very intelligent, quite reserved, pretty quiet, not exactly shy, but reserved, very thoughtful. And a cardinal I know used a great word for him yesterday, which was: He\u2019s not just tolerant. He\u2019s not just a good listener for people from different viewpoints. He\u2019s curious. Isn\u2019t that a great word? He\u2019s curious about people and about where they come from and their points of view. So, I think we have a great guy. And to have an American is pretty special.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> You have said that the church in America is both healthy and divided to this point, and that the division mirrors our politics. What concerns you the most about that?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin: <\/b>Just that, this great division in the Catholic Church, where people tend to think \u2014 in some places \u2014 more like Republicans and Democrats than Catholics. And this kind of demonization, I would say, especially online. This person\u2019s a bad Catholic, this person\u2019s a good Catholic, you\u2019re not doing this, you\u2019re not doing that. Less so in parishes, but it really does seep into people\u2019s discourse, and I think the church is supposed to be one. Jesus prayed that they all may be one. Pope Leo is very much interested in unity. But I think the most difficult thing is to see people talked about as bad Catholics, because we have no idea what\u2019s going on inside their souls. Now we can look at their actions and say, \u201cI don\u2019t agree with that.\u201d Or, \u201cI don\u2019t agree with what they\u2019re saying.\u201d But this rush to demonization, this rush to condemnation, this rush to judgment, is, again, what Jesus asks us not to do. He says, \u201cJudge not.\u201d And boy, that is a hard passage for a lot of people to really imbibe.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> Well, not just in the Catholic Church, but in many faith traditions.<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin: <\/b>Yeah, it\u2019s such a human reaction. Sometimes I just tweet out, \u201cJudge not,\u201d and the comments are incredible. \u201cWell, what about this? What about that?\u201d And, people say, \u201cWell, what about the actions?\u201d Yeah, we do judge the actions and say, \u201cI don\u2019t think that\u2019s right. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s wrong.\u201d But we don\u2019t judge the person. That\u2019s up to God. And there is such a human desire to judge, condemn and also expel. It\u2019s really kind of shocking. I have to say, I think social media has exacerbated that. Because people aren\u2019t meeting people face-to-face, they just have a caricature of someone\u2019s Twitter profile.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> What is the best way to understand the people you disagree with? How do you talk about issues like immigration and poverty in a way that does not immediately push people into political camps?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin:<\/b> A really important question. The first thing is to always give them the benefit of the doubt, right? So to say that this person is probably coming from a good heart, right? And wants to understand and might be confused or fearful, and we really need to take that person as a good person. The second is to really listen to what the person is saying, and I have these experiences a lot. And the third thing is never to attack the person and to try to put forth your own view. <\/p>\n

I sometimes find, rather than getting into debates, it\u2019s better to say, \u201cWell, let me tell you the story of someone I know who was a refugee or a migrant.\u201d And I actually worked with refugees about 20 years ago in East Africa, and sometimes I say, \u201cLet me just tell you a story about a refugee. I don\u2019t want to convince you, but I just want to share this story with you.\u201d<\/p>\n

And then to be OK with disagreements with friends or even family and to still love them. So it\u2019s looking at things in charity. And also being open to critique that you may not have all the facts or you may not know everything. You\u2019re not God. So it\u2019s giving people the benefit of the doubt, really listening, treating them with dignity, being OK with having some disagreements and being OK with being corrected. To say, \u201cOh, I didn\u2019t know that.\u201d Or, \u201cThat\u2019s interesting.\u201d I think that\u2019s really rare these days.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> You\u2019ve said that young people today seem to be rediscovering faith, rediscovering a spiritual hunger, and that we\u2019re in a sort of post-secular moment. How is it that you\u2019re seeing that?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin: <\/b>Yeah, I see it in reports about upticks, particularly in the Catholic Church, of people who are joining the church over Easter, which is the traditional time for people to join the Catholic Church. But I\u2019m also hearing it anecdotally. A lot of my Jesuit brothers who work in campus ministry at colleges and universities are saying, \u201cMy gosh, Masses are packed and we\u2019re getting all these baptisms.\u201d So it\u2019s happening. And it\u2019s pretty exciting. I think two things are happening: One, secularity has been found wanting. Two, people are looking for community, certainly after Covid and lots of societal upheavals, people looking for community. They\u2019re looking for an identity. But, really at the heart, they\u2019re looking for God. They\u2019re looking for a sense of God\u2019s presence in their life. So it\u2019s kind of taken the Catholic Church by surprise a little bit, but it\u2019s a nice problem to have.<\/p>\n

Clayson Johnson:<\/b> So what is your final message for listeners about faith and politics and public discourse today?<\/i><\/p>\n

Father Martin: <\/b>I would say, respect the other person, give them the benefit of the doubt, try to listen, put forth your position with love, and always continue to, as Jesus said, \u201cLove your enemies.\u201d <\/p>\n

This story appears in the June 2026 issue of<\/i> Deseret Magazine<\/i>.<\/i> Learn more about how to subscribe<\/i>.<\/i><\/p>\n

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